An editor at AboveTheLaw suggested some months back that I do a piece on the US News & World Report law school rankings. For whatever reason, this stodgy old weekly news magazine – which someone must still read – has created a sideline business publishing rankings of schools, including law schools. I’m not sure what the criteria are, but at least in theory, it’s a big deal for lawyers when the list comes out each year.
The rankings seem designed to make official what everyone knows anyway, i.e., that there are “prestige” schools that are harder to get into. But like any good opinion piece, they throw in a few twists – familiar names in unexpected places. It boils down to dissing one of the big places, or unexpectedly anointing a second-rank outfit. That way everyone can get riled up over the respective rankings of my school versus your school.
It sounded kind of boring, so I filed the idea away.
Then it started to gnaw at me. The US News list seemed like a good example of the amazing lengths lawyers go to in order to distinguish themselves from one another. The entire profession splits hairs like this because the career path is so conservative there isn’t much to distinguish one attorney from another. Every lawyer lines up to take the LSAT, then get processed and distributed to law schools based on hairline distinctions. In class you sit through identical lectures, take identical exams, and head off – for the most part – to identical firms to do nearly identical work.
You end up arguing over the details.
The law school curriculum is pretty much the same thing wherever you go – it’s standardized. I doubt the property law lecture at a “top” law school is much different, let along superior, to a property law lecture at a less “prestigious” place.
But, of course the students are “better” at the more prestigious school – because they did better on their LSAT. How much better? Some tiny fraction of a percentage, probably, representing a few questions that they got right and someone else got wrong.
I worked with one lawyer who went to a “second-tier” law school in New York, but rose to the top of his class and made law review. He said he still faces resistance at top firms because of snobbery over where he went to school – even though he’s been out and working for eight years. Those Yale and Harvard lawyers at the big firms, he says, turn their noses up at his top of the class record at a “lesser” school – as well as his federal clerkship and the years of hard work that followed.
I’m currently working with a couple of young lawyers who find themselves in the odd position of trying to decide how to appraise the “value” of a “top school.” One woman was accepted at a “top” place, but offered a full scholarship at a “second-tier” institution. Is it worth $150k to go to the prestige school? The education itself will be nearly identical. Is the snob value worth it? According to one of my clients, half the kids at Columbia Law are struggling to find jobs right now, so it doesn’t sound like the “top “ places are pulling their weight. On the other hand, maybe it’s even worse coming out of a “second tier” joint. Crucially, though – with no debt, she wouldn’t be as desperate as everyone else. I see plenty of young lawyers emerging from “top schools” (and every other kind of school) with shaky job prospects, huge debt and – worst of all – the sense that going to law school was a mistake. The debt reduces them to indentured servitude, making it impossible to do anything else, at least until they’ve paid the piper.
How about the law firms themselves? Surely some are “better” than others?
I remember, during my first summer of law school, when I was interning at the ACLU, one of the staff attorneys sat me and another young attorney down to make a list of the top New York City firms, and explain the “facts of life.” Essentially, he ranked the firms into three tiers – top, middle and bottom. That was probably splitting hairs already. Many of those firms were essentially identical. But I dutifully memorized the list.
Later, when I got to the interview process, the firms all asked me why I was choosing their firm in particular. I rattled on with the standard answers about atmosphere, culture, practice areas, and so forth. I was making it all up – I had no idea what I was talking about. How could I? I was a law student.
In fact, most of those firms were interchangeable. Sure, you might work with one person instead of another, and that could make a difference. But once the grind set in, the attorneys I worked with at two different firms began to seem interchangeable. The practice area distinction itself didn’t even make much difference when you were a junior associate – it was just work.
I had a corporations professor at NYU who was a partner at Wachtell. He mused once during a lecture on whether “corporate lawyers were essentially fungible.” To my surprise, his answer was uncertain – he admitted they might be.
Does that surprise and outrage you? Would you be as upset if he’d suggested accountants or dentists were fungible? To some degree, even doctors are fungible, or ought to be, right? They should be able to do their jobs, and if you need your appendix removed, anyone who calls himself a general surgeon ought to be able to do a decent job removing it.
It could be the fear of being “fungible” that produces the harsh, hyper-critical atmosphere at so many law firms. Everyone’s a critic because they’re all afraid they might be more or less just like everyone else.
I took it for granted at Sullivan & Cromwell that the senior associates would treat me like something under their shoe, but it always surprised me when another junior associate would put me down in front of a senior, or obviously compete to prove he was “better” than me at my job. I suppose he wanted to make partner, and that meant proving that his mindless, endless grind of work was superior to my mindless, endless grind of work.
Now that I’m working with partners as clients, it amazes me to hear that the competition never stops. One partner at a big firm told me he felt more beat up after making partner than before, because once he’d made it to the big-time, the gloves came off. His fellow partners competed viciously to prove that they were the ones bringing in business – and had a claim to the biggest slice of the partnership pie.
Perhaps if everyone in law were enjoying themselves more – savoring the work and finding satisfaction in the field, they wouldn’t have to concentrate so much on drawing distinctions where no distinction exists. They could get on with what they’re doing, support and praise one another’s work – and stop paying attention to nonsense like the US News & World Report law school rankings.
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I totally agree with your comments. Unfortunately, though, the distinction does exist and in this market, it only seems to have gotten worse. I was in a similar situation as one of the young attorneys that you mentioned. I was accepted into multiple “top” schools but I instead chose a second-tier law school because they offered a full tuition scholarship. Being the first lawyer in my family, I didn’t quite realize the snobbery that exists in the profession. Having said that, I think the worst decision in my legal career was not having gone to a first-tier school.
The legal industry is an industry unlike any other. It is ugly in the ways that People’s Therapist describes, and as the above poster mentioned, pedigree matters completely in this profession. Some will provide counterexamples of this T2 friend, or that T3 contact who is at the top of the game, but these examples are merely outliers (its the equivalent of pointing to a lottery winner to support the argument that, “You TOO can win the lottery!”).
Perversely, the LSAT will dictate your legal (and in senses, non-legal if you so choose) career path from the beginning to the grave. Even despite the increasingly growing, [somewhat exaggerated] anecdotes of “half at Columbia can’t find jobs,” the law profession is essentially two paths:
Top LSAT –> Top Law School –> Almost all students: Top BigLaw firm job for ~2-5 years –> recruiters and headhunters and your beck and call –> leave hellish hours for either in-house job at F500 company, or for some type of gov. work, or lateral to other firm in your practice area, or if working in corp. area go make absurd $ as an MD or VP at an I-bank, hedgefund, etc….the point is that the BigLaw, top firm job is merely a gateway, a means towards an end which involves steady pay, health insurance, and prestige.
Low LSAT –> Average School –> Almost all students: Struggle to find ANY job, and if you do, it is in the $40,000 – $60,000 range. Otherwise, document review —> underemployment for the rest of your legal career, causing one to most likely struggle to start at the bottom of another career, leaving law, if for no reason other than to have health insurance and a 401k.
Pedigree matters in the law world more than any other. opportunities for me have been cut off simply due to have a second tier law school on my resume. The law school has actually tarnished my resume in that it undermines the perceived value/prestige of my undergrad (which was very good, top 20).
Nobody even responds to me, whereas my cohorts at NYU and Columbia will at least get an interview, or will at the very least get a response.
I appreciate where JD is coming from, but have to disagree. I took a scholarship at a 40-50 school instead of paying full price at a 10-20 school. At the end of the day, I’m at the same firm as the 10-20 guys, but I’m here debt free. That means, of course, that I’m only here as long as I want to be and not as long as it takes me to pay off debt. Not trying to be snide about it, just want others to know that a scholarship from a lower-ranked school can be a blessing.
Your posts are the best, and insightful as always. I have friends who are considering leaving their cushy Big Law jobs for smaller, less “prestigious” firms. One of these firms is actually a personal injury firm–albeit a well-respected boutique personal injury firm with great lawyers from good schools. My friend would get great trial experience and work on cases that are meaningful and fulfilling, but she can’t get past the feeling that she’s “downgrading” from a respectable firm to a band of ambulance chasers. To be frank, I’d probably feel the same way.
After reading your column, I figure that no one cares where you worked when you’re dead. Hell, most people don’t care where you work when you’re alive. All that’s important is that you do something you enjoy.
Thanks for another epiphany. Keep em coming!
It’s interesting because the prestige factor doesn’t really do anything for clients (who are really only looking at results). I myself went to a school that is so low on the rankings that it is not ranked at all, but lumped in with about 100 schools at the bottom of the list. This has certainly hurt my job prospects (even having gone to an ivy league undergraduate school and having completed a federal clerkship).
I find that the “snobbery” factor can actualy hinder one’s ability to competently practice law. For example, my tierless law school consistently beat out the top-tens in national moot court/mock trial competitions. And I’m not talking about oral arguments; I’m talking about written brief scores, which are based on coherent analysis and writing skills. I frequently noticed that the kids from the top law schools were so concerned with sounding smart, that they would fail in the one task to which they were assigned—presenting a clear and concise argument that is easy for a judge to get on board with. I think the same is true for many of the top firms. Many of these lawyers are so wrapped up in comparing their hours, or their book of business, or their relationships to the partners, that they lose sight of the one thing they are supposed to be doing: getting results for the client. And the poor clients are paying a premium for this nonsense.
I think the waning economy is causing a lot of corporate clients to re-think the white shoe firms. If lawyers really are fungible—and I agree that they are to at least some degree—it makes far better business sense to hire a mid-size firm with more reasonable rates and lawyers that keep their eye on the prize. Nobody wants to pay a first-year associate $275 an hour to spend seven hours on a motion so that they can hit their monthly quota.
the best paper i have read about this topic is here: http://www.vallexfund.com/download/Being_Happy_Healthy_Ethical_Member.pdf
sadly, the profession of (big) law in the us has change for the worse.
I’m glad you mentioned the ACLU telling you about the prestige of law firms in NYC – in my experience, non-profit do-gooder outfits are just as snobby (if not more so) than big law firms. And while there is less out-and-out abuse of young lawyers – who in fact often get a great deal of responsibility placed on their shoulders due to their necessarily impeccable pedigrees – the competition is fierce and the passive-aggressive back-biting can take its toll. Still, I imagine it is better than firm life – but nonetheless, such behavior seems endemic to the legal profession. Perhaps you are right about about the underlying cause.